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Vertical Farming and Printing Houses Isn't Profitable

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  • UbiquitousChe

    I was under the impression that vertical farming benefits were down to land costs. Vertical farming is capital intensive – but so is land. There's an optimization problem between land cost and capital costs.

  • Troy Walker The Progressive Proletarian

    its not that its not profitable, its privatized, the majority is priced out of the inflated market, so the new tech isnt standardized.

  • mxt mxt

    3D printing homes is not gonna be profitable. Even if you scale 3D printing, mass production is gonna be far more profitable. CNC routers and mills will also make many custom parts. Now, 3D printing will have a role, but it will be small. Modular homes on the other hand will be profitable.

  • Tozias Silverfang

    I don't care about profitable; the metrics we need to focus on are efficiency and productivity, not how much a useless, capitalist leach acquires.

  • Xavier Allred

    Right now vertical farming doesnt make economic sense because building space in cities is much more expensive than rural land.

  • Brian K.

    I actually was working on a Vertical Farm Project; my intent was to take one or two, never used, nuclear cooling towers and covert them into vertical farm(s)… The project that I wanted to do would be profitable (in the way that I look at profitability); but would cost a lot as well to implement…


  • Jim Barron

    Vertical farming is deeply, inherently more expensive than flat farming. And inevitably always will be. Many emerging technologies eventually become economic after adequate development. That's simply not possible with vertical farming (outside of situations so extreme that flat farming is not possible).

    The killer is the cost of energy. Plants require a great deal of light to grow. In flat farming the light is delivered FREE to the site where it's used.

    With vertical farming, essentially all of the light must be supplied artificially.*1 Even with high efficiency LEDs it's still going to cost a great deal more than transporting food from "flat farms" that are reasonably local. And that's not even including the even higher costs of all of the extensive infrastructure required that is not needed on flat farms: the building. The energy distribution system (including all the way from the site of generation). The lighting system. The watering system (you could completely irrigate a flat farm for a tiny fraction of what it would cost for a vertical one). And all of the maintenance costs etc.

    Vertical farming only makes sense in artificial markets: (the salad greens currently being marketed are many times more expensive than grown on flat farms but the packaging obscures that)

    Even in desert areas, flat farming with drip irrigation is a lot less expensive than vertical farming.

    IMHO vertical farming is being promoted by those misguided enough to think it will save our civilization if the world's climate gets too hot for conventional agriculture. It's the kind of severely reductionist (on many levels at once!) approach that appears to be potentially workable (because you haven't yet done the math) when you view it only IN ISOLATION and fail to consider how it interacts with everything else. (for reductionists wiktionary.org to look up foreign words like "reductionist" "sustainability" etc).

    *1 note that the only reason that growing marijuana inside was profitable was that it was an ILLEGAL crop with a very high street value and growing it inside was better than outside ONLY because of the exposure to discovery by law enforcement when grown outside.

  • Matt Lanagan

    I'm not nearly as convinced as most ppl here about the vertical farming. It will definitely be a thing, but it will not largely impact agriculture. You save water and space/ time but it costs energy, which is increasing cost fast.

  • Dj Luminol

    You hear this argument about ending hunger from time to time but I'm not convinced it is possible right now. Other wise we would probably do it. The challenge isn't only industrial or coming up with the capital. It's entirely possible that we just aren't capable as a species of providing that level of equality at the scale needed. Clearly the food already exists so the problem isn't one of means and yet year after year people go hungry.

  • براہمداغ

    Farming in deserted "dust bowls" of the world will be more profitable than vert-farming. You get the sun for Free, for crying out loud.
    Goodluck competing with FUCKING SUN.

  • Abe C.

    Famers in the Midwest would profit from Aquaponics and hydroponic systems if they knew how to do it. The space they have would give them even more profit if they were to use those systems

  • Andres No

    3d printing will never be a thing. The engineering and material sciences labs at my university has already discontinued research and development involving anything that has to do with 3d printing. It's just not going to happen, "matter" behaves a certain way and cannot just be "printed".

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